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Wrath of m0o · May 22, 2008, 04:49 AM // 04:49

Does anyone have any artwork pertaining to Dhumm?
I cant find anything, and was wondering if anyone had anything on him, or are we going to have to wait till GW2 to see Dhumm?

Zahr Dalsk · May 22, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

He looks like a Dryder, so I hear, but much larger.

Selvetarm might be a good example (I don't refer to the actual god Selvetarm, I refer to the Guild Wars boss named after him, located in Slaver's Exile), only larger than that.

Arduin · May 22, 2008, 06:40 AM // 06:40

Ought to search for Dhuum then, with two u's.

Maybe they found it?

MithranArkanere · May 22, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Based on what people guess, he's Avatar would be like this:

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6...tdos000ol6.jpg

And his statue like this:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y293/Kailden/gw027.jpg

afya · May 22, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

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The first one looks like a seer

Trader of Secrets · May 22, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

whered you find that first pic of the avatar?

Darksun · May 22, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

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what? that makes no sense. There are several bug things like that in th UW. Not to mention the Giant Dragon things in the UW.

No, Nobody knows what Dhuum looks like. There is no evidence or in-game reference to his appearance.

Bryant Again · May 22, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Dhuum = most intriguing entity in Guild Wars. I hope they don't "ruin" all this awesomeness in GW2...

There may be no "evidence" of what he looks like, but the speculation is delicious.

Darksun · May 22, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Dhuum = most intriguing entity in Guild Wars. I hope they don't "ruin" all this awesomeness in GW2...

There may be no "evidence" of what he looks like, but the speculation is delicious.

Guh.. well.. to each his own. I don't mind people wondering about the story, but when they point and say "this is what he looks like" or something, it's misleading.

Anyways, I like the Dhuum/Abbadon/Menzies storyline, but the dragons in GW2 seem like they are going to kill all that. Since their power "rivals that of the gods" and they are all evil, it looks like they are going to set up a war of sorts. Abbadon was a god for crying out loud, they shouldn't trivialize that by making some dragons that are just as powerful. The battle against the 5 gods & Abbadon was epic GW lore, now apparently there are 6 things that will be "epic". meh.. too much upping the ante.

MarlinBackna · May 22, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Darksun

Guh.. well.. to each his own. I don't mind people wondering about the story, but when they point and say "this is what he looks like" or something, it's misleading.

Anyways, I like the Dhuum/Abbadon/Menzies storyline, but the dragons in GW2 seem like they are going to kill all that. Since their power "rivals that of the gods" and they are all evil, it looks like they are going to set up a war of sorts. Abbadon was a god for crying out loud, they shouldn't trivialize that by making some dragons that are just as powerful. The battle against the 5 gods & Abbadon was epic GW lore, now apparently there are 6 things that will be "epic". meh.. too much upping the ante.

Why not? Maybe the Five Gods will actually something more than sitting on their arses. I don't have high opinions of the gods as they gave only their "blessing" in my attempt to kill a god, and that I have to tidy their realms that they can't seem to control themselves.
I think the Gods need some serious competition, as they seem to have the foresight to see that some simple humans can topple gods.

Darksun · May 22, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by MarlinBackna

Why not? Maybe the Five Gods will actually something more than sitting on their arses. I don't have high opinions of the gods as they gave only their "blessing" in my attempt to kill a god, and that I have to tidy their realms that they can't seem to control themselves.
I think the Gods need some serious competition, as they seem to have the foresight to see that some simple humans can topple gods.

With out going into too much theology I think the gods should be more than big strong guys that fight to get what they/you want. I like that they didn't just fight for you in NF.
It's just cheap to always make the next thing bigger & more epic. You fight a god in NF, just let that be as epic as it should get. Making these created beings as powerful as the gods begins the circle or purposelessness.
At any rate, it could still be mad fun, so I'm looking forward to how it plays out.

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods · May 23, 2008, 03:59 AM // 03:59

I definitely like the first image that was posted. However, as one said, it looks a helluva lot more like a Seer than a god. I could be reaching out pretty far on this one, but maybe Dhuum is somehow connected to the Seers? And if Darksun is correct in that it came from NF concept art, maybe it's just concept for Palawa? w/e

Otherwise, no. There are no real pictures of Dhuum yet.

And about the GW2 Dragons/Gods, I'm with Backna on not really supporting gods who can't do shit for themselves.

Free Runner · May 23, 2008, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by Darksun

what? that makes no sense. There are several bug things like that in th UW. Not to mention the Giant Dragon things in the UW.

No, Nobody knows what Dhuum looks like. There is no evidence or in-game reference to his appearance.

You see you just hit the nail on the head. There are no actual proven depictions of Dhuum nor is there evidence at all that Anet have a final image of him. Like Menzies he is a complete mystery in terms of what he looks like and where he is.

However that doesnt mean they cannot speculate about possible depictions on him. All of Dhuums army represent insects - those "several bug things in the UW" are Dhuums army. To add to that an Emmissary of Dhuum uses that statue as its meeting point during a quest.

Add those two things together and people come up with Dhuum -------------> Commands an army of insects -------> Perhaps they are based upon him (like how the Margonites gain some of Abaddons traits eg masks and six eyes) ---------> Statue of Insect ----------> Must be Dhuum

Also just because the Dragons are around in GW2 it doesnt mean Dhuum and Menzies are out for good - infact they might have a storyline amidst all the chaos. If theres an Underworld and Fissure of Woe in GW2 then you can bet on Dhuum and Menzies playing a part.

Konig Des Todes · May 24, 2008, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by Darksun

With out going into too much theology I think the gods should be more than big strong guys that fight to get what they/you want. I like that they didn't just fight for you in NF.
It's just cheap to always make the next thing bigger & more epic. You fight a god in NF, just let that be as epic as it should get. Making these created beings as powerful as the gods begins the circle or purposelessness.
At any rate, it could still be mad fun, so I'm looking forward to how it plays out.

You have to keep getting stronger and stronger enemies. That is evident in all games and shows. You cannot fight the big bad boss, then some weakling and expect a good "show." Also, the whole Dragons rivaling the gods does not right out ruin the "epicness" of the idea. There are many ways to go with that, like the Dragons created the gods and the gods rebelled.

Also, the GW "gods" and many other polytheist religion "gods" are not unable to be killed and are not omni-whatever. They can be killed by anyone with enough power to take them down. Gods can even be weaker then a human. The non-monotheist view of a god is just a being that never ages, and usually has power over some force of nature. But having power over some force of nature doesn't mean that the God is automatically stronger then a human.

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

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First picture looks more like concept art for a Torment Demon to me then either an Avatar, which is still possible, or a Seer. Second picture is just a statue in the Realm of Torment, and seeing how that is Abaddon's realm, I would say it deals more with Abaddon then Dhuum, but the possibility is still there. Although thats all speculation.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

You see you just hit the nail on the head. There are no actual proven depictions of Dhuum nor is there evidence at all that Anet have a final image of him. Like Menzies he is a complete mystery in terms of what he looks like and where he is.

However that doesnt mean they cannot speculate about possible depictions on him. All of Dhuums army represent insects - those "several bug things in the UW" are Dhuums army. To add to that an Emmissary of Dhuum uses that statue as its meeting point during a quest.

Add those two things together and people come up with Dhuum -------------> Commands an army of insects -------> Perhaps they are based upon him (like how the Margonites gain some of Abaddons traits eg masks and six eyes) ---------> Statue of Insect ----------> Must be Dhuum

Also just because the Dragons are around in GW2 it doesnt mean Dhuum and Menzies are out for good - infact they might have a storyline amidst all the chaos. If theres an Underworld and Fissure of Woe in GW2 then you can bet on Dhuum and Menzies playing a part.

Free Runner wins the thread of Lore again. That is exactly how people get crazy speculations.

And as for the Dragons and Menzies/Dhuum in or out of the picture. What I hope, is that ANet includes 2 special packs, that act like the BMP, that send us to their realms, like how we went to the Realm of Torment, and we get to kill Menzies and Dhuum in their own realms. It would seem rather boring to find out that the 6 gods could not overpower 1 god and 1 demi-god, possibly it being 2 demi-gods, for over 250 years. If ANet were to do something like that, then it would probably come out around when GW2 comes out to keep some living people in GW1.

Free Runner · May 24, 2008, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

First picture looks more like concept art for a Torment Demon to me then either an Avatar, which is still possible, or a Seer.

Gotta agree with Torment Demon here. It looks alot like they took all the different physical traits for them off this one picture.

N1ghtstalker · May 24, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

in the special edition NF artwork book i see alot of things that i haven't seen in the game
it's quite fascinating and beautiful artwork also containing various demonic creatures wich i'd love to see in-game but didn't make it
too bad but nonetheless you should search on google for these

Big G · May 26, 2008, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Quoting Azael The Assassin:

Also, the GW "gods" and many other polytheist religion "gods" are not unable to be killed and are not omni-whatever. They can be killed by anyone with enough power to take them down. Gods can even be weaker then a human. The non-monotheist view of a god is just a being that never ages, and usually has power over some force of nature. But having power over some force of nature doesn't mean that the God is automatically stronger then a human. [End Quote]

But wasn't Abaddon very weak when we fought him? I mean I can't believe that it's that easy to kill a god.

(Quoting didn't work, sorry :P)

Konig Des Todes · May 26, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Big G, use [ quote= <name>][/quote] to quote someone.*no space between [ and quote

Abaddon was still weak when we fought him. He literally JUST broke out of his chains made by Balthazar(or so we're told). But that actually helps me point. Gods can be (or become) weaker then humans.

Big G · May 26, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Abaddon was still weak when we fought him. He literally JUST broke out of his chains made by Balthazar(or so we're told). But that actually helps me point. Gods can be (or become) weaker then humans.

You made a good point there, and quoting works again ;D

wierdo1350 · Jun 02, 2008, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by Big G

You made a good point there, and quoting works again ;D

you also have to go with the possible assumption that the other gods might have once made a pact or something to the effect of that that they themselves cannot take out another god, so therefore, could not interfere with the destruciton of abbadon, but could only give a blessing. Hence why he was in chains by balthazzar, because they could not kill of their own without incurring some fate of their own.

I know a read a book sereies where the only way to take a god's power away from them, is to relenquish their own, and therefore loosing their 'god' status.

SO it possible that something like this was in place.

You also have to think, that abbadon wasn't really killed, his outer sheel was, and Komir took on the rest of his attributes in the final cutscene, so, in a sence a god is not killed, just an outshell is and must be taken on by another form or otherwise well cause much devestation.

All is speculation, and who knows